Floppy Holsters?

Given the recent caution about floppy holsters, perhaps more specifically slide-holsters, these two thumb-strap models are still that which I have most recently acquired for carrying-around the house: one Galco “Fletch” for the 1911A1 – a similar holster is coming for the 4-inch S&W K-frame. It’s basic, retention-strap stuff…:

With the thumb-strap in place the 1911A1 can be carried in either Condition 1, 2, or in Condition 3.
And I picked-up a Gould & Goodrich three-slot for the P220.

The P220 in the G&G doesn’t seem like much of a concealment gun or holster at this point, but that really may just be an issue/evidence of how marvelously thin by comparison the 1911A1 really is. 
The P220 with a rail is still seeking a holster – the railed forward serrations hang-up on the G&G and resist drawing. Also it has a rail and therefore needs a light. Supposedly.
Several bloggers have recommended Comp-Tac and pdb posted about one that allowed him to tuck-in his Glock with a light. Talk about filling your pants!
I have pretty much abandoned the dual-purpose Galco Pancake holster I used at GBR-IV, it’s just not as secure as the belt-held ones.:

Maybe I’ll find a way to convert it to use as a hard-mount on my roost-protector. There are screw-type things on the back that allow the paddle to be removed and re-screwed in a fixed location.

Around the house I notice how cold the guns are, and how much I am not used to them. I have been “practicing” with a godawful cold Leatherman tool. I don’t usually wear much body-stuff, I quit wearing a wrist-watch several years ago and don’t adorn my belt with cellphone and keys and that kinda crap – hell I don’t even usually wear a belt if I can help it. I’m not as enamored with the whole Batman Utility belt thing as I once was, but I better get used-to it…

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15 thoughts on “Floppy Holsters?

  1. I *think* the '43 1911A1 Colt has that firing pin safety. And the thumb-break covers the hammer in Condition-1 and prevents it from falling. It's just something you gotta pay attention about.

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  2. If your thumb break strap covers the firing pin/rear slide, having the thumb safety click off is no big deal. Now, if you are careless with your trigger finger placement during the draw, loud noises may happen prematurely. However, that is true for most any auto pistol.

    Frankly, the thumb safety being off in the holster simply means you treat it like ANY pistol. Most auto pistols now have a firing pin safety. Combined with the grip safety, it makes for as safe a setup as you need. If you look at the .45 auto Army Test guns of 1910, they had NO thumb safety. The grip safety was what J M Browning put on most of his guns. The THUMB safety is what the Army requested be added before production of the 1911 commenced. And then they very quickly eliminated the use of it by mandating it be carried hammer down on an empty chamber (condition 3)!

    It seems JMB kept one of the Test guns for personal use, when he could have had one of the new ones with a thumb safety. Would appear he thought it unnecessary. With the addition of a firing pin safety, I would have to agree. The only useful thing about it is having the slide not move while stuffing it into a holster.

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  3. Thank you ALL for the comments, and I love your work Dragon. Quality stuff is not spam.
    Will – Next up is classroom time and I will keep that in mind. I notice the P220R-rail needs its own holster and will definitely *hold fast* in one for the non-rail gun.
    I'm fortunate that Louis Awerbuck hold classes nearby, but the next 2-Day Basic Defensive Handgun is in June.
    B&N – You and me both. I may find that in the end I need something besides the girth of the Sig, but first comes the attempted coping.
    Horsethief – Damn! I did a test with the gun empty and you're absolutely right. A nudge on the holster in Condition 1 and even the nubby little the 1911A1 safety can be disengaged. Condition 1 is NOT an option for the Galco Fletch. It's different for the P220 however, that's decocked and followed by a double-action roll-through.
    Rivrdog – thankyou-thankyouverymuch!

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  4. @Dragon: There used to be one called the “Gunny Sack”, had a NOISY Velcro draw to it, but didn't print on the gun. BTW, While carrying in a pouch, I've been asked if there was a gun in there (plain leather pouch). My reply was, “I'm a diabetic (true), there's life-saving equipment in there (also true)” It satisfied the store clerk.

    @ A Horse Thief: Yep, ++++, have a Colt Government Model 380, love the Hell out of it, carry it cocked and locked in an Uncle Mikes #15 OWB belt-slide. THREE times now the safety had moved to “Fire”. Not carrying it again until I can afford Galco or Don Hume leather for it.

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  5. Careful with using a 1911 cocked and locked in a thumb-strap holster. I had one that sat in almost the perfect position to disengage the safety. I got rid of it after about 3 days.

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  6. @will browns comment….

    I make something that fits the bill, Will…

    Sorry…just couldn't help myself…

    Its called the Pistol Pouch. Looks like a diabetics med kit, holds your gun and *two* spare mags if you're running single-stack, one spare if double stack.

    I'm not going to spam my URL here, but the URL should be linked to my comment signature to this post.

    Warmest Regards,

    Dragon

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  7. Dirt,

    I hear you on the Batman Trick Belt issue. I don't care for carrying stuff on my belt either, even a pistol, as much as I like them.

    The bulk of the Sig is pretty difficult to deal with, and it's surely going to be an issue of just getting something comfortable and secure, concealment be damned.

    Truly, though, I think the axiom of comfortable carry versus the comfort of having some sort of security is true, and you simply learn to cope with it the more you do it.

    Good luck with sorting it out.

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  8. One of the odd things about holster carry I encountered is needing to have the bore axis (angle) of the holster be very close to identical for all my autos. This would be for belt/waist mounted ones. Doesn't seem to matter for revolvers. What was happening was lots of range/practice had imprinted muscle memory of the angle needed to get it smoothly out. Bought a couple plastic ones, and I kept encountering the feel that the gun was locked in the holster. Causes a stab of panic when the gun doesn't move! Application of a heat gun to allow me to tweak the angle fixed it.
    Makes me wonder how all the students at classes deal with training with “range holsters” that have a vertical angle, then go home and use a concealment holster. One needs to train with the same gear you would use in real life on the street.
    Typically, you want to buy pants that have an inch more waist, if using an IWB holster. UMMV.

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  9. Sevesteen – Sorry, didn't mean it to come out that way but I always had wuss jobs.

    Brigid & Sevesteen – CA considers the console or glovebox “concealed” – travel only allows for locked in a box or in the trunk, unloaded.

    More though I'm struck by the fact that Midwesterners travel a lot more than we do. I have to go East 240 miles just to get to Nevada, or North 365 to get to Oregon – and 480+ South and I'm in Tijuana – you guys would have crossed five states already.

    Will – Used to have a fanny pack instead of stuffing my pockets, still without a permit that's just a way to carry out of necessity. Having to think of new things and work-arounds for when the Earthquake hits.

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  10. You may want to look into getting a FAG Bag if your ordinary wardrobe isn't condusive to the usual concealed holster options. I frequently carry that way, both during the summer when I'm wearing shorts and in winter when wearing sweat pants.

    Tip; look for one that holds your gun and spare mag and nothing else. The height of the bag isn't all that critical (it will pivot around the belt/strap as you shift from sitting to standing), but any width of the bag beyond the absolute minimum necessary to accomodate your gun will increase your level of discomfort and make accessing the bag more difficult too.

    One with the pull ring that permits one-handed opening of the bag is a plus.

    If you choose to go this route, be aware the bag probably won't hold up to more than a year's regular use. If you find one that fits your gun and you, buy two so you have some time to search out a replacement.

    Ask me how I know. 🙂

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  11. DirtCrashr: The job wasn't particularly manly–the gun wasn't allowed at the job, which is why it stayed in the car getting cold.

    Brigid: We've modified that idiotic law, haven't entirely repealed it. If you are carrying in a holster on your person, you no longer have to do the Buckeye Tuck–the gun can remain concealed. However the gun has to be in something–a holster, a container with a lid in plain sight, a locked container, or the glovebox or console. A stupid addition redefines 'loaded' as having a loaded mag or speedloader for the gun anywhere in the car.

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  12. Sevesteen – they eliminated that? (been a few years since I lived there). I always liked the bit that you had to be open carry in the car in Ohio but as soon as you hit the Michigan border it had to be concealed. Try doing the dance of the seven veils with your Sig and your shirt at 75 MPH going across the state line. Sheesh.

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  13. Errg…never had the skills for a job quite that manly!
    At this point I'm kinda thinking that these are just gonna be a nice place to park the guns while in motion, and protect 'em from other abuses.

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  14. Try putting a gun on after it has been in a car in subzero weather while you work second shift, when you carry iwb…I almosft appriciated Ohio's stupid law that reqired open carry in a car the first winter after it was eliminated

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